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j-snap · Jun 28, 2009, 04:13 AM // 04:13

Im looking for help with a build, I need suggestions on making one for a Prophecies only Monk, really only RA from time to time.

Michael805 · Jun 28, 2009, 04:22 AM // 04:22

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Mo/a...(premade_build)

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* Use Word of Healing on allies with low health, while healing others with Orison.
* Hit yourself with Healing Touch for a quick, fast-recharging self-heal.
* Mend Ailment is there to prevent Health degeneration or for keeping your melee allies free of Blindness.

j-snap · Jun 28, 2009, 05:28 AM // 05:28

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Originally Posted by Michael805

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Mo/a...(premade_build)

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Michael805 · Jun 28, 2009, 06:04 AM // 06:04

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Chocobo1 · Jun 28, 2009, 09:09 AM // 09:09

That build is kind of bad. I'd suggest:

Word of Healing
Orison of Healing
Guardian
Mend Condition
Holy Veil
Vigorious Spirit
Balanced Stance
Disciplined Stance

Thats pretty much what all monks run, except I substituted in Mend and Orison. Checked them all to make sure they are avaliable in Proph :P

Lux Aeterna · Jun 28, 2009, 04:07 PM // 16:07

You're not going to be able to effectively monk in pvp without expansion packs.

You're not going to be able to effectively monk in pvp without expansion packs.

You're not going to be able to effectively monk in pvp without expansion packs.

You're not going to be able to effectively monk in pvp without expansion packs.

You're not going to be able to effectively monk in pvp without expansion packs.

Look I don't have a better way to say it really.

Please don't monk in Ra without X-packs.

Sierraa · Jun 28, 2009, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

You're not going to be able to effectively monk in pvp without expansion packs.

Look I don't have a better way to say it really.

Please don't monk in Ra without X-packs.

You CAN monk effectively with proph/core skills.
You CAN monk effectively with proph/core skills.
You CAN monk effectively with proph/core skills.

What skills are dire in the expansion packs that it makes monk bars automatically "Good" or "Better"? Patient spirit is a monk staple, but RoF and Orison can be used over it if you don't have access to it. Spotless Mind? Learn to effectively pre-veil and watch your screen, it's better than lazy monks who set it and forget it with Spotless.

Word of Healing, Reversal of Fortune, Guardian, Draw Conditions, Holy Veil, Protective Spirit, Balanced Stance and Disciplined Stance

that's a pretty slandered bar. You can change Reversal of Fortune to Orision of Healing if you really want. Draw conditions can be replaced with Mend Condition, or Mend Ailment.

Haxor · Jun 28, 2009, 07:25 PM // 19:25

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Originally Posted by Alexander Burn Victim

What skills are dire in the expansion packs that it makes monk bars automatically "Good" or "Better"?

1. Patient Spirit
2. Cure Hex
3. Aura of Stability
4. Deny Hexes
5. Signet of Rejuvination
6. Dismiss Condition
7. Life Sheath
8. Shield of Absorption
9. Spirit Bond

You don't really "need" those skills in RA, but if you want to be as effective as possible in organized PvP, you will. Hell, if you want to be as possible in unorganized PvP you'll need them too, but that's besides the point.

Sierraa · Jun 28, 2009, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Originally Posted by Haxor

1. Patient Spirit
2. Cure Hex
3. Aura of Stability
4. Deny Hexes
5. Signet of Rejuvination
6. Dismiss Condition
7. Life Sheath
8. Shield of Absorption
9. Spirit Bond

You don't really "need" those skills in RA, but if you want to be as effective as possible in organized PvP, you will. Hell, if you want to be as possible in unorganized PvP you'll need them too, but that's besides the point.

1. RoF or Orison for Patient Spirit
2. Remove Hex or Veil over Cure Hex/Deny
3. Sig of Devo (lol.) or Divine Spirit over Sig of Rejuv
4. Mend Condi, Draw Conditions, or Mend Ailment over Dismiss
5. Shielding Hands over SoA
6. Prot Spirit over Spirit Bond

For RA you can live without most of those skills. The bars before Factions, NF and EoTN were efficent, and it's still possible to use them now. For GvG and HA, yes you need the expansions but for RA as a monk you'll do fine with the bar suggested earlier. Players also have a role in efficiency, when I monk in RA I run PnH and I do really well with it. When my friend runs PnH he sucks, he's much better at LS or WoH.

Still Number One · Jun 29, 2009, 12:40 AM // 00:40

Since all he does is RA, what Sierra posted is fine. If he ever wants to get serious with pvp, then he should get the expansions. He doesn't need them, but they would be a benefit obviously.

Chocobo1 · Jun 29, 2009, 07:29 AM // 07:29

The build I posted is pretty much what every Mo/W runs in RA... Why does he need an expansion pack for this?

Ariena Najea · Jun 29, 2009, 05:36 PM // 17:36

The above builds are fine, not great, but there is only so much you can do.

If you want to run something fun for RA, you might enjoy a Boon Prot. Give the following a try:

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Protection 12+1+1
Divine 10+1
Blood 8

Divine Boon
Reversal of Fortune
Mend Condition
Guardian
Shielding Hands
Offering of Blood
Remove Hex
Contemplation of Purity

Divine Boon essentially turns all of your spells into mini-heals, so that you heal for 83 health every time you cast, as opposed to the basic 35 for Divine Favor. Bring a +1/20% staff to try and boost the Divine Boon bonus a little, recast as needed before the match, but make sure you save your energy. Offering of Blood is your energy management, always make sure you get the most out of it by using it only when you gain the full amount of energy. Reversal of Fortune is your main heal, which can result in an effective heal of 235 under ideal conditions. Mend Condition is self-explanatory. Guardian and Shielding Hands should be used to negate pressure. Remove Hex is obvious, and Contemplation of Purity is for when you are under a hex stack you can't deal with. Just remember to recast Divine Boon. A quick note for runes, this heals for more if you switch Divine Favor and Protection Prayers, but having 7 seconds of Guardian (+20% with enchanting) is worth the trade off at 14 Prot Prayers.

I used to run this RA, and had a blast. It drove people nuts since OoB is so difficult to shut down due to its activation time. Make adjustments as you like.

Reverend Dr · Jun 29, 2009, 09:13 PM // 21:13

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Originally Posted by Alexander Burn Victim

1. RoF or Orison for Patient Spirit
2. Remove Hex or Veil over Cure Hex/Deny
3. Sig of Devo (lol.) or Divine Spirit over Sig of Rejuv
4. Mend Condi, Draw Conditions, or Mend Ailment over Dismiss
5. Shielding Hands over SoA
6. Prot Spirit over Spirit Bond

You missed the point entirely. The skills he posted are flat out better than your "alternatives." Without the expansion packs you are simply giving yourself a needless handicap. Making a bar full of skills that are "sort of the same" ends up with a bar that doesn't function anything like the original.

Can you make it through PvE without the expansions, sure you can, PvE is easy and filled with exploitable AI. The moment you start thinking about PvP, you need access to every skill, no exceptions.

Sierraa · Jun 29, 2009, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

You missed the point entirely. The skills he posted are flat out better than your "alternatives." Without the expansion packs you are simply giving yourself a needless handicap. Making a bar full of skills that are "sort of the same" ends up with a bar that doesn't function anything like the original.

Can you make it through PvE without the expansions, sure you can, PvE is easy and filled with exploitable AI. The moment you start thinking about PvP, you need access to every skill, no exceptions.

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Originally Posted by Alexander Burn Victim

For RA you can live without most of those skills. The bars before Factions, NF and EoTN were efficent, and it's still possible to use them now. For GvG and HA, yes you need the expansions

I got his point but thanks.

You're not giving yourself that big of a handicap without patient spirit and maybe cure or spiritbond on that WoH bar. At least not in RA. (Effects since I missed the point earlier obviously.) If you're considering serious pvp such as GvG, HA or even TA, you're not going to get far with just proph/core skills, if you're a casual player who likes RA once in a while, you're fine with what you have.

Ghost Dog · Jun 29, 2009, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

You're not going to be able to effectively monk in pvp without expansion packs.

You're not going to be able to effectively monk in pvp without expansion packs.

You're not going to be able to effectively monk in pvp without expansion packs.

You're not going to be able to effectively monk in pvp without expansion packs.

You're not going to be able to effectively monk in pvp without expansion packs.

Look I don't have a better way to say it really.

Please don't monk in Ra without X-packs.

You couldn't be any more wrong, actually prophecies is all you need for a monk.

Michael805 · Jun 29, 2009, 10:54 PM // 22:54

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Originally Posted by Ghost Dog

You couldn't be any more wrong, actually prophecies is all you need for a monk.

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Originally Posted by Alexander Burn Victim

I got his point but thanks.

You're not giving yourself that big of a handicap without patient spirit and maybe cure or spiritbond on that WoH bar. At least not in RA. (Effects since I missed the point earlier obviously.) If you're considering serious pvp such as GvG, HA or even TA, you're not going to get far with just proph/core skills, if you're a casual player who likes RA once in a while, you're fine with what you have.

Hey guys, I'm patient spirit. I'm so vastly superior to any other skill like me, that you'd be dumb to not take me!

Some classes can easily get away with not having the xpacks, monk is not one of them. At the very least you need GWEN.

Ariena Najea · Jun 29, 2009, 10:57 PM // 22:57

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Originally Posted by Ghost Dog

You couldn't be any more wrong, actually prophecies is all you need for a monk.

Need and "could do much better with" are separate cases.

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Originally Posted by Alexander Burn Victim

I got his point but thanks.

You're not giving yourself that big of a handicap without patient spirit and maybe cure or spiritbond on that WoH bar. At least not in RA. (Effects since I missed the point earlier obviously.) If you're considering serious pvp such as GvG, HA or even TA, you're not going to get far with just proph/core skills, if you're a casual player who likes RA once in a while, you're fine with what you have.

This is exactly right. It's RA, other than sync teams there are not many skilled players compared to newer players. A lot of people play simply terrible builds, either because they don't know better, or are playing for the lulz.

Sierraa · Jun 30, 2009, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by Michael805

Hey guys, I'm patient spirit. I'm so vastly superior to any other skill like me, that you'd be dumb to not take me!

Some classes can easily get away with not having the xpacks, monk is not one of them. At the very least you need GWEN.

Hey guys, I'm unable to function without any sort of meta build that's considered superior! It's impossible to use any sort of variation of it and do decently!

Sorry, I monk everyday, all day, and I can RA without patient spirit. You fail to realize that I agree with you too. (Trying effects again) OUTSIDE OF RA YOU NEED EXPANSION PACKS

Michael805 · Jun 30, 2009, 12:31 AM // 00:31

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Originally Posted by Alexander Burn Victim

Hey guys, I'm unable to function without any sort of meta build that's considered superior! It's impossible to use any sort of variation of it and do decently!

Sorry, I monk everyday, all day, and I can RA without patient spirit. You fail to realize that I agree with you too. (Trying effects again) OUTSIDE OF RA YOU NEED EXPANSION PACKS

There's a difference between "considered superior" and "vastly superior".

Regardless of meta or not, patient is pretty much a staple in any kind of healing build. Not learning how to heal with it, or just not taking it, is simply gimping yourself.

You fail to realize I agree with you too, with this tacked on the end: Some classes can easily get away with not having the xpacks, monk is not one of them. At the very least you need GWEN.

Still Number One · Jun 30, 2009, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by Michael805

There's a difference between "considered superior" and "vastly superior".

Regardless of meta or not, patient is pretty much a staple in any kind of healing build. Not learning how to heal with it, or just not taking it, is simply gimping yourself.

You fail to realize I agree with you too, with this tacked on the end: Some classes can easily get away with not having the xpacks, monk is not one of them. At the very least you need GWEN.

Except for in RA you don't need patient spirit. It doesn't matter how vastly superior the damn skill is. If I can get a 10 win streak with only frenzy and healsig on my bar, then a monk can deal without patient spirit. For RA it is not needed at all.

There is absolutely no reason for the kid to waste his money on EOTN if he has no desire to take the game seriously and only occasionally RA. He wants to make due with prophecies, and he can as long as he doesn't care about as being as proficient as possible. This isn't about running the best build in the game. It is about running the best build with what he has available to him. The guy can very easily win in RA without any other expansion. End of discussion.